You Can’t Veto the Truth

Currently active duty in U.S. military, and would like to express that I’m tired of hearing how America wants us home.  I’m on schedule to return to Iraq in a few months and looking forward to it.  I would rather get the job done right now and not return a few years or a decade from now.  Majority of the military just want America’s support and needed funds to continue with our mission.  And about the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED on May 1 2003, at that time we did accomplish our mission and another mission was issued afterwards.  For those that don’t know how military orders work should assist and join our volunteer armed forces.  I appreciate those Americans that just say “Thank You for Your Service”, and move on.  That’s all we ask for.
Thank You,
Garcia

I wonder what your thoughts would be (if you had any cognition) if you are hit by a brain damaaging IED during your next tour. You are already brainwashed.

PLEASE MAKE SOME COMMERCIAL SPOTS SHOWING THE FANCIFUL PREDICTIONS ABOUT THE WAR BY WOLFOLWITZ AND OTHERS, “THE IRAQI OIL WILL PAY FOR THE OCCUPATION” ECT.
SPOTS ON THE THE INACCURATE FACTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO JUSTIFY THE WAR.

First, Is would like to say thank you to the men and women fighting for our freedom overseas.  And then to FDNY and NyPD for all that you gave on 9-11 may we not forget.  And to the Democrats and the Cindy Shehands in the blaming the Govertment for 9-11.  YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!!! I think Bush is doing better than some of you people ever woukd. You people want pull out because the news and the Clintons say that everything is not wounderful.  I hope that you don’t think the U.S will be better with Oboma or Clinton in office because It will be WORST.

I believe that the time has long since come for our troops to return home.  I appreciate the patriotism that our troops demonstrate in wanting to fight but the fight is over.  This war, for lack of a better term, has degenerated into nothing more or less then a ‘tug-of-war’ between internal iraqi militant forces, the iragi occupational force, & the United States.  The prize being rights to that country.  Now the way that I see it is that we have no right to still be over there playing a part in how this country’s history will develop.  This situation would be most closely associated to the idea of spain interceding on behalf of the english during our own revolution.  Let these people work out their own situation.  It is time to leave the welfare of Iraq to the Iraqis.

I have the greatest faith, hope, respect, and love for our armed forces. This war was started based on fabricated or twisted intelligence assessments. It has been executed without the necessary forethought and planning to allow it to ‘succeed’. The very image of what ‘getting the job done’ would actually mean had never been clearly articulated. If you can’t clearly define your destination, how could you possibly create a plan to get there? If the goal is to allow for Iraq to govern itself then that is what it’s already doing. The various sects and groups within Iraq would be fighting each other and destroying themselves if we were involved or not. Why do we continue to build a wall of corpses between groups that are to their very fiber bent on each other’s ‘righteous’ destruction? A wall bricked with the bodies of US troops and mortared with the blood of Iraqis caught in the cross fire?

How many bodies do you use to try and fill this bottomless pit? When is it enough? How can more years of bloodshed be considered ‘success’?

Make the call, let Iraq care for Iraq.

"Garcia in Camp Pendelton, CA | Tuesday, May 01 at 12:35 PM”

For a soldier, you’re remarkably well versed in RNC talking points.  It seems odd you’d say “Currently active duty in U.S. military” because that sounds rather detached.  If you said what branch, for example, it might make you post look a little more credible.  But I’m afraid I have to call the BS card and assume you to be a paid right-wing troll instead.  It would explain how you were able to find this page so quickly and be the first to post.

Garcia, thanks for your service. But from one vet to another, just what is the “mission” over there? Just what do you mean by “get the job done”? If it is Iraqi democracy, then the Pentagon has already stated that that isn’t their objective anymore. Who and what are you fighting?

It is disgrace that this war has become a political football. Is anyone watching the news? That is, if you can find one that doesn’t have it’s own political agenda. Watch Turkey very closely. The Turks are fighting tooth and nail to prevent Islamic extremism from taking over their government. The Turks may be strong enough to do this on their own. Iraq was not and is not. That is why we are there. That is why we should stay there. Our men and women see this and understand it. Why can’t these politicians put the good of our nation ahead of their own good? I am sick of every stinking one of them. I don’t see one candidate, one Senator or Congressperson that deserves the job that WE have GIVEN them. Let’s start over.

Hey pvt Garcia, you are just a grunt who is serving our country. It is not yours to decide for our nation. That is for the citizens of the USA, and the citizens have spoken. You might like being over there and killing little girls, but the rest of the country doesn’t want our military there. You are ruining our country’s prestige. So if you go over there, you should stay there.

People like those iun your organization cause me to believe that I was shooting the wrong enemies of America.

mary in Greenwood, I do understand what you are saying. Here in America, we are fighting tooth and nail to prevent Christian extremism from taking ove our government. Let’s hope we are strong enough to do this on our own.

It’s too bad this ad is also untruthful.  Just another case of the biased media.  The legislation was vetoed in part because it had spending in it such as peanut storage.  What’s up with that?

I would love for our troops to come home, but it is their work over there that has kept our country safe.  If Congress prevails and terrorism comes to the U.S., the same people who are complaining about bringing our troops home are going to be complaining about us not doing enough to prevent an attack. I say keep the politicians out of it and let the Generals do their job.

When I was over in Vietnam, we told the American people that if we don’t fight them there, then we would need to fight them here. And we said that communisism would take over America. Of course our leaders were lying then and they are lying now. No Iraqi’s are going to come over here unless we bring them as refugee’s, and there will probably be a lot of them.

Thnk about it. Our borders are so pourious that there are 1500 illegals coming over DAILY! Now what makes you think that we let illegal Mexicans in but not Al Qaeda operatives? If they want to come over here, we have a large border that is wide open and they know it. Our military is not doing anything over in Iraq to prevent that.

Roger/Priscilla
I was going to comment that this is run by a Democratic Party operative, but your attacks on a soldier for having the audacity to disagree with you establishes your stance on the war and the soldiers, none of this we support the soldiers from you.

Priscilla
You accuse Garcia of killing with no knowledge of who or what he does. Talk about a closed mind. You are a disgrace to the term “liberal”

Jay, why do you assume that Pricilla is a liberal? I don’t agree with her statement either but I wouldn’t put her in a liberal class just yet. She might be a right wing troll who is just trying to drum up trouble.

Fear. We need to put more fear in the base. Lets drum up some more color warning alerts, even if it isnt election time yet. We gotta make em fear us or they will catch on to us. Carl, put some more scare stories out and say that Jesus talked to me some more. That oughtta straighten em out!

I was a bit put off today when I saw your new TV ad about the presidents veto. One nation against one man.  How presumptuous of you to assume you speak for the nation.  Perhaps a better name for your organization would be- Some americans united for change, or even better- Americans of the democratic party united for change. If you think leaving Iraq now will make the world a better safer place, you’re only revealing the shallowness of your thought processes. Get Back!!  Next time you have an opinion that you can’t keep to yourself, at least express it as your own and not that of the nation. I don’t expect to see my comments posted.  Doubtfull whether there is enough intestinal fortitude in your organization to present both sides equally. AUFC should headquarter out of San Francisco not Washington, DC. JUST ONE AMERICANS OPINION.

When Bush vetos this bill he will become the reason the troops are not getting the funding they need. He is so stubborn and arogant, does not he realize that blaming the Dems for troops not getting the funds will only backfire in his face. The congress sent him a bi-partison bill today that will actually give the troops more than what Bush wanted. If he refuses to sign the bill, he is the one not funding the troops!

If the mission was to create more terrorists, fill the entire Muslim world full of hate for us, fill 90% of the co-citizens of this planet full of disgust, divide our country, waste our finest people and our resources for Boy George’s pathetic weak little ego....

Mission Accomplished!

Hey Art, they do speak for the nation. “WE the People” voted last November and they are doing our bidding. maybe you don’t like it in your neck of the woods but you don’t speak for the nation.

If all the draft-dodging weenies want to fight the war in Iraq, sign up and go.  Otherwise, a majority of Americans would like to see us out of the mess as soon as possible.  It’s unpatriotic to support this treasonous President and his cabal of thieves and liars.  Do the right thing for the United States of America by supporting our withdrawl and the impeachment of the President and Vice President so that we can bring dignity back to the Government and our nation.

"t r u t h o u t”
ABOLISH THE MISSION
IMPEACH NOW!
freedom is NOT free!
as a matter of fact, does anyone here know what the Dom behind freedom stands for?
try this:Free Dominion”
Kingdom?
Kings Dominion.
something for you to think about.

You pathetic liberals just want to have Satan take over the world. If we don’t kill the islam devils over there, then we will have to kill them over here. Besides, Israel needs this war to make sure the rapture happens as planned in the good book. Stop Satan’s advancements now instead of later!

Roger
The reason Garcia could find you is your TV ad, and your website ID . All one has to do is Google and there it is, for anyone to see and comment on.

I cant wait to see the
MISSION ABOLISHED sign hanging up.
that would be a celebration

you don,t believe in God.
You believe in freedom

I urge the President to sign the bill and begin the process of bringing our troops home. They are in the middle of a civil war and there is no clear enemy except Al Queda(spellig?) who is a small presence in Iraq. The later the war ends the greater the number of GIs who will be killed or wounded.

let those who want to fight in iraq go fight and those who don’t want to fight in iraq stat home. better still isn’t there one male member of George W. Bush’s family willing to fight for his country. Britian has one. Not one man in his family nephew, cousin etc., will stand up like a man. says a lot doesn’t it

I am a calvary soldier serving in Iraq currently.  This is my 2nd tour there, I do not feel we are making much progress, if we are is it moving along slower than a slug moves.  I do enjoy my what we are doing here but how many more counseling sessions can one person take?  How many sleeping pills can one person take for the rest of his life?  How many soldiers have to suffer post tramatic syndrom?  How many more close friends do I have to witness getting blown up in insurgent attacks?  How many close friends do I have to witness get severly injured when all they are doing is helping other iraqi citizens.  We are not fighting the Iraqi populous we are fighting other people neighboring countries.  If we should fight anyone it should be them.

One of the main things that crawls in my gut is how these pro-war neocons just won’t pick up a gun and go over there to fight. Even many of the pro-war people who post at sites like this will bash anti-war people but wouldn’t dare go over and fight themselves, but they will bash vets who reply to them. In the Army back in the day, we called these “pro-war but not gonna fight” people cowards, but now days we call them neocons. The world is definitely upside down.

Nicholas A. Jansen, thanks for you input and thank you very much for your service. We appreciate it greatly!

Could you enlighten us as to just who or what we are fighting over there? We hear so much BS here in the States

Sorry
Nicholas A. Jansen in Fort Hood, TX |
thats the price of freedumb.
by the way, ever read the Abrm/Abraham story in the Bible?
it would shed light as to why father is willing to slay his own son. Greed.

I want to say I support our soldiers 100% and so do most Americans....it’s the war we don’t support and our president that continues to this day to lie to us that we don’t support. Why can’t people understand that?

I understand that perfectly
Chris L. in Riverside, CA | Tuesday, May 01 at 04:09 PM
Thank You for your support for helping out the soldiers and vets.
financial help would also be nice for military veterans.

just google homeless veterans and you can find more info.

I can not say who we are fighting but we capture more people from neighboring countries than we do in Iraq itself.  And when we do fight them you can not see them or know where they are at.  It is like fighting a ghost.  (sfc ret u.s.army1976-1997)!Christopher Edison Rud, somethings I can agree with you on, but others I will not.  I am very religous and do not mix politics and religion, those two mixed is worse than any destructive force in the world.  The bible has nothing to do with the way the country is run, if it did i do not ( in my opinion) think we would be at war.

And Right You Are
Nicholas.
I Agree

if the bible had something to do with the way the country is run, i do not ( in my opinion) think we would be at war.

Agree?

By the way
Nicholas A Jansen in Fort Hood, TX
(sfc ret u.s.army1976-1997)!Christopher Edison Rudisaile
Killeen Texas

Strongly agree

Copperas Cove!  GO DAWGS!!!

Nicholas A. , first God Bless you and keep you safe. I think I can speak for the majority of American people , we want our troops home,
We are in a civil war , we will not accomplish democracy or peace in that situation. It is way past time for a plan for evacuation, we have heard enough lies. To all our military in Iraq, know that we are working on bringing you home, you are not forgotten.

Viet Vet
Viet Vet

Where ? When?

I went, both my sons are in military, so let’s drop the everybody that disagrees with the anti war view needs to go. Some of them already did.

Maybe the President could start addressing issues such as Chavez seizing oil and our gas prices going through the roof, or the millions of US citizens without health insurance, WE WANT OUR TROOPS HOME !

I think it is nessecary to have a timetable for withdrawal. Over 100 US troops died in the month of April 2007. More and more insurgents are coming, and it is just getting tougher for US troops.

The domestic effects also are very drastic. Our economy is starting to fail, and also we are lacking in proper education.

jay in Nicholasville KY
R U A Viet Vet?
Where?
When?
What Branch, Rank, Serial #?

Viet Vet.......my brother too, Marine Corp 5th Battalion, Communication Specialist......lest you forget...was the war in Vietnam beneficial to the US or the Vietnam Vets?

no.

Phu loi
1971-72 with B trp 3/17 air Cav(UH1H copilot) Army 1st LT Infantry

Sooo, I take it you Escaped the Friendly Fire.
Congrat.

I just want my sons to be treated better for their service, than I was, 2nd job interview, they wanted to know if I has smoked marijuana, when I said no , they said you went to VietNam didn’t you as if everyone that was there did.

Jay, You was only there for a Year.
Didn,t you tell them that?
hell, you barely even broke rank with the green...thumbs?
I forget what that nickname was for newbys.

I too am a former US Marine and I thank god my commander in chief was not a war monging moron. You in the military who support this war wonder why you have no support at home. Here’s the answer. In WW2, the nazis occupied most of europe. How do you think the iraqis look at us. Pretty much like the europeans looked at the german soldiers patroling their streets. Second reason. The military was established to protect our people and our country. This war has achieve exactly the opposite affect. In other words, terrorism is up, Americans are in more danger than ever before 9/11 and the real war on terrorism has lost it’s focus. Keep in mind Al Queda was not in Iraq prior to the US attack. Also, Saddam Hussein kept Iran in check. Now, Iran is the strongest nation in the middle east and bent on having the bomb. I could keep writing how our military, government, and the moron who didn’t see this coming is not serving the interest of the people. The American people, as the oath of office military and presidents take, are not protecting this country or the constitution. In fact they are violating it. The first paragraph of the constitution states the government gets it power from the consent of the people. It seems to me the people no longer give consent.

I’m prepairing for my 3rd rotation back to Iraq, not because I’m brainwashed, as Kari ignoantly accused my fellow Devil Dog of being. It’s a shame that her husbands sacrifice and her sons achievements, both given as part of the cost of freedom, not only for the Iraqi citizens but for Americans like Kari, and everyone else in this country who know more about, and spend more time concerned about American Idol and all the other fucking “reality” shows on our T.V. stations, than they spend gathering accurate and complete information on the the real reality is in Iraq and afghanistan. Let me break it down to you all K.I.S.S. style. Iraq is not a “reality” show that you can just turn off when your tired of watching it, nor is it a game that you quit playing when you loose your moral nerve to finish what you started because it no longer appeals to you. And here’s another thing, quit using the number of my fallen brothers as your determining factor of our progress, as if your keeping score in some kind of contest. In fact, quit being so damned concerned with whats going on in Iraq. You have no concept of what the situation is like there, on the ground. We are over there commited to violence every day, we take the risk of loosing our lives every second we are in country, we take with us the responsibility of knowing that the future of our country’s freedom is in our hands. We do this willingly and with honor and great pride. We know that you all back here at home are depending on us to succeed, just as we are depending you back here at home to keep America strong from the inside. Well guess what, it’s you all who are failing us. You have let your military down when we needed you the most. We’re doing our part, but instead of being focused on the issues that are tearing this country apart from the inside, you’re more concerned about whats happening in places that most of you would’nt even be able to point out on a map, yet alone explain to me what the actual situation is like. If the media circus is your only source of information concerning Iraq, then you might as well go back to American Idol, you might actually learn more. Bottom line, let us who do know what we are doing, do the job that you depend on us to do. The more you stay out of it, the better chance we have of finishing our job and bringing your sons, daughters, fathers, husbands, and friends back to you alive. Instead of calling President Bush, who does have the Constitutional authority as Commander-In-Chief of the military, contact your congressmen and urge them to stop using the vital resources, which our lives are litterally depending on, as leverage in a childish game of “who’s in control now”. And please, have faith in your military and our capibilities, our enemy have no hope of success, except for what you all back here are giving them. And more importantly, don’t loose the fear, hurt, anger, and determination that was brought to us all when these animals attacked our home, because we have’nt, and we’re not going to stop until we’re satisfied that something like September 11, 2001 can never happen again. And one final expression, Kari should be ashamed of herself, as i’m sure her husband is for even mentioning something like an IED strike on a Marine, just to get a point across. How dare she, I wonder if she would suggest something as sick and evil as that to her son, if he felt differently about something than her, no wonder he wants out of the Army, he’s probably more frightened of what she would do to him if he stayed in.  Semper Fidelis and God Bless America and all She represents, even you Kari.

Good ad! For the several Bush defenders posting here (probably all of them , we had what we call “a [sic] accountability moment” last November: out with the Bush-enabling Republicans in the Congress, and in with Democrats who will bring the troops home and undo the rest of the Bush damage.

The people have spoken. They want Bush on a short leash.

Now, what’s so complicated about that?

great ad, hope to see it heavily in the rotation!!!

Hey Roger, in Oakland. if you knew anything you were talking about you would know that Camp Pendleton is A marine Corps Base. So, you were wrong by your 3rd word. So let me educate you, since you obviously never served in any branch of the military. Marines call there bases camps, the Army calls them forts, the Navy calls them stations, and the Air Force calls them bases. And thats all the time you get from from me.

Sgt. Wells, USMC in Camp Pendleton | Tuesday, May 01 at 05:26 PM
little hard on the Lady, aren,t you?
E-5 is it?

Looking over today’s news on this august anniversary, I was reminded of a scene from Mel Brooks’ “The Producers” (1968 film) in which a musical entitled “Springtime for Hitler” is staged on Broadway:

GOEBBELS: Heil, baby!  I just finished the morning propaganda broadcasts.

HITLER: What did you tell the people?

GOEBBELS: I told them we invaded England.

HITLER: Hey, baby, that’s good!  How’d we come out?

GOEBBELS: We won.

HITLER: Groovy!

And who’s kids are going to have to go back over there to fix the damage, since you can’t “undo” damage, that will be a direct result of leaving the job unfinished, Zandru? If you would try to look at the whole situation, instead of your one-sided view over a president, then maybe you’d be able to see where the complications come into play.

Wells in Camp Pendleton | Tuesday, May 01 at 05:47 PM
Whos Zandru?

nevermind

Wells in Camp Pendleton
You ARE the kids going back over there to fix the damage.
I served 1st gulf war.
was in Somalia too.
stationed Twice in Gitmo.
Was also in Kandahar, then Baghram.
My 2nd Dau. Was at Camp Anoconda for a year.
Imagine your Daughter having to go to war to defend you and your freedoms.

i know i know. well, its the volunteer thing to do.
NOT!

Yep SFC

I was an FNG, till I flew with a W-2 we called magnet-a**, took several rounds in the bird. still better than beimg a REMF

I was an FNG(foreign National Guard), till I flew with a W-2(warrant Officer 2) we called magnet-a**(ss), took several rounds in the bird. still better than beimg(being) a REMF(?).

Aren,t you glad to be alive though?
(don,t answer that,LOL).

rear echelon mother’s friend=remf

Some one who acts like he’s still in the states in the middle of a combat zone.

Spit shined desert boots in the Green Zone in Baghdad would be an example.

We are really supposed to believe that our soldiers spend their time trolling on random political websites?  Only RNC hacks and Rush Limbaugh producers impersonating members of the armed forces waste their time like that.

“People like those iun your organization cause me to believe that I was shooting the wrong enemies of America.”

Jim Cooke in Rockwall, TX | Tuesday, May 01 at 03:06 PM

Jim Cooke, you can go Cheney yourself, you sicko, wanting to murder Americans for having differences of opinion.

Not as hard as an IED exploding. But i’m sure she did’nt take the time to consider what she was actually saying when she typed that. It was probably the first thing she could think of that would have the stongest impact. I did’nt think it would actually take getting hit by an IED to understand thats not something you say to someone who probably has been. i’m not here to sugar coat anything, we have a serious fucking problem here in our counrty, and the way it’s being handled by both sides of the house, is a disgrase. America’s kids are serving this country and acting with more integrety and honor than is compairable to anything else current, while the older and “wiser” members of our congress are acting like kids. And that goes for both sides of the house as well. It appears to me that the people we elect into office have forgotten that their office is supposed to be for the better of the people, not for the better of the oficials. Their all so fucking concerned with their own agenda’s and recognition, Congress has turned into a 2 year enduro-race to see who can out-last who, and who can make who look the worst. Elections have become an all out race to see who can dig up the most dirt under someones feet, no matter how far they have to dig to find anything. The canidates get the population so rouzed up that neighbors are ready to kill each other just because one is a republican and the other is a democrat. but then hours after the vote is decided, here they all are saying what a great person their opponant is and what a great job they will do, although 2 days prior to the election, someone’s opponant was made to appear worse than the anti-christ. meanwhile , none of the issues which are hanging over our countries heard are ever resolved, there just tossed around until it becomes strategically centered around some fucking polititians campaign. i’m not a republican or a democrat, I’m a U.S. Marine and my mission is the protection of freedom, both here and anywhere else i’m called to defend it. Underneath the media headlinds, and behind a ruthless, evil, and brutal force, is a country of unfortunate civilians who are stepping up and hoping to one day live in a country where freedom rules not terror. and as corny as that may have sounded, imagine if you lived in a country where freedom and and justice never existed until a few years ago, oh wait, you can’t, we fought for our a long time ago, and now nobody here have a fucking comprehension of what thats like.

Amen, Sgt Wells, well said.
Bob in Akron does not realize the technology that is available these days.
The troops in Iraq that are not out in the field have access to CNN and Fox and know exactly what Reid and company are saying, and they can get on a computer, DUH.

Hey Bob, contrary to what certain Senators want people to belive, any one of my 2 year Marines could out-debate any 2 year political science major, it’s our asses on the line out there, i can’t stop analying this shit every waking second i’m back here. i found this web-site after i saw the sladerous commercial, while watching the news on T.V. It’s a pretty simple process, if you stop complicating things by thinking about it too long

What don’t you guys get?  Every time the Bush/Cheney administration has promised that things will be better in another 6 months, they have failed to get better.  They have no idea what to do.  There is no reason to believe them or think that any plan they put out will work.  They have absolutely no credibility.  We should put zero faith or trust in them.  We can’t afford it.

Maliki barely governs Iraq.  He will never meet even the most simple benchmarks, which the Bush/Cheney admin knows and is why they don’t want any bills with any benchmarks for the Iraqis. 

We don’t have enough troops in Iraq to contain the insurgency according to Petraeus’ own manual.  “Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, visiting Iraq last week, declared that the ‘clock is ticking’ for political progress. He urged Iraq’s parliament not to take a scheduled two-month recess and to pass by the end of summer both an oil law and a proposal to reverse the de-Baathification law.”

A few of you seem to have some basic Constitutional questions.  Here are some answers.  1. The military doesn’t get to decide how long the war lasts.  2. The Congress has the right to cut off funds to end a military conflict and has done so on multiple occasions in the past.

Bush will get his damn funding.  He just loves to make it sound like he is being denied the funding.  Not so!
All he has to do is sign the bill and he has his funding....pretty simple.  Anywho, the Pentagon says that they have the money even if Congress denied funding. 

They could cut the contractors excessive pay and God knows Halliburton doesn’t need the money they get.  They lost millions of dollars.  They should pay it back. 

A cook in Iraq makes $60,000/yr tax free.  My husband makes $30,000/yr dodging bullets, mortars, RPGs, and IEDs.

Bush and Cheney suck and seriously need to quit connecting Iraq to 911.  Bush is a dictator and is trying to take all our freedoms aways from us. 

I remember recently his threat that if Congress delays the bill that the soldiers and their families would suffer by getting deployed sooner, and having longer deployments.  Yeah he cares about the troops.  He is using us as pawns to get what he wants.  THAT IS NOT CARING ABOUT THE TROOPS!  Now everyone is on 15month tours instead of 12 months.  We have units getting ready to deploy to Afghanistan and their tours have now been extended to 18 months.  Now keep in mind that these are the same people that have already done 2-4 tours in Iraq and haven’t even been home 9 months in between.  How the hell are these men and women suppose to keep this crap up?  They are treated like robots.  There was no Al-Quaida in Iraq until we went there.  Great job Bush!

BTW, I’m a military wife.  My husband and I both are NOT Bush supporters....never have been and never will.  We didn’t vote for him so he is not MY President.  He is my husband’s boss but just because he is his boss doesn’t mean he has to agree with him.  And believe me when I tell you that there are alot more military that do not support this President and his unjust war in Iraq.  Despite what some poster have said not all military are pro-Bush.  It simply is not the truth.

Imagine yourself being born in , oh lets say, North Korea.
Was That your Choice? or, Gods Choice?
Or for that matter, Your Mom and Dads Choice?
What Choice? Do THEY Have? None. Not at the moment of Conception they don,t.
Get my Point?
Don,t Blame them for being born There.
and Don,t Punish an entire Nation for One Persons Terror.
Think About it now. Isn,t Bush Terrorizing, the so called Axis of Evil Nations?

Now. Can You Handle the Truth if I was to Give it to You?
I Don,t Know.
But, just like me. when handed the Truth. would you know what to do with it?
thats the Big Question.
I know I don,t.

What happened? did I scare everybody away?
Its so quiet in here.
oh well. Gnite

Sorry --

I don’t have any change.

Great commerical, I hope they play it all the time as its the truth, bush is not for the troops in the first place if that was the case he would have not rushed in and sent troops with out body protection and armor piercing steel for the vehicles, bush and the whitehouse don’t care about the wounded troops as well, he cut funds for families here, the poor condition at the Vet’s hospitals, extended lengths of combat and shorter home visits.  If bush and the whitehouse are so worried about terrorists, why has the bush Adm. cut funds and inspectors of inspections of cargo at the ports, less then 1% is inspected, bush and whitehouse say that the “Green Zone” needs to build walls to stop unwanted persons from entering but yet they they won’t protect the borders here in the USA. 

These people have been fighting since day one. Let them kill each other and bring our troops home to guard the USA and let the Iraq’s fight for themselves........

Did I just Call Bush a Terrorist?
my Apall o lies
snicker

Of course the veto was the right thing to do.  The Democratic bill was full of pork barrel spending, unecessary timetables, etc.  We simply cannot fight a war on our schedule, to do that is ridiculously stupid.  We must fight until the enemy is either submissive, or dead.  I don’t think the terrorists will honor our timetable.  Do you honestly think they will?  Then you are ignorant.  Imagine Washington, Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, F.D.R., or Truman on a timetable.  We fight the war until the enemy is no longer a threat. Period.

Bush will get his funding, because the Democratic congress hasn’t the power to change anything.  And the last thing they want to be seen as is unsupportive of the military.  Remember, Harry Reid’s main objective is winning the ‘08 election, holding, and consolidating political power.  He’s made that plain in so many words.  The war on terror is secondary, or even further down the list, to him.

All I can say is some of you folks need to wise up.  Your version of the “truth” is sorely lacking in reality.

A little clarity about personal armor and vehicle armor.  The crying shame was not that we didn’t have armor to begin with, the crying shame was that we didn’t produce armor in a hurry.  It wasn’t a priority.  In WWII weapons and armor was a priority and things got done quickly.  And the war was really over after 4 years.

To say “WWII was over in four years” is misleading, there was still an extensive post-war period which also led directly into the cold-war and the resulting proxy wars. We did shift manufacturing priority exclusively to war machinery however, that much is true. I think a GM or Ford plant could switch to making Cougar vehicles and it would actually improve their bottom line.

To the original poster, “Thank you for your service.”

To the rest that say, “this another example of biased media”, well, of course, all media is biased. Unless you’re reading AP or Reuters wires all day long then it’s all just media marketed for mass consumption and its sole purpose is to generate advertising dollars.

What’s sad is that most available “news” is actually just commentary; and most are unable to tell the difference.

As a foreigner, who of course does not know all the details of the discussions that is going on in the US, I do know this. For all the ones above stating or claiming, the Iraq war has made America more safe or it is a defense of freedom: You are very delusional. If you really think this war has made America safe think again, the US are more hated now in the world (especially the Islamic world), for every islamic fundamentalist that has been caught in Iraq, at least ten have risen out of the ashes of the current civil war.

There was no Al-Quaida in Iraq, there is now (so that made invading senseless anyway)
There were no WMD in Iraq, there may be some now (a second point of it being a sensewar war)

Iraq has always been a wasps nest, since its creation by the British a century ago. They tried to “subdue” unrest too (with no subtle means I might add), but they failed too.
This situation cannot be changed by America unless several army corps are poored into the country for an indefinite periode (my estimate would be at least another 80.000 soldiers for at least 10 years), but like any modern democracy, people don’t have the stomach to commit to this. So my advice would just be: GET OUT!

A civil war will be unleashed, but the world can do no other thing than contain it and hope for the best. Removal of Saddam Hussein has destabilized the country and no new equilibrium will be found anytime soon.

I guess Van Gogh was safe in the Netherlands.

This is an excellent ad, PLEASE MAKE MORE LIKE IT

to: Justice is Blind in Both Eyes
“we are fighting tooth and nail to prevent Christian extremism from taking ove our government.”

Sorry, but Justice is Blind, you too are blind. You and Rosie O’Donnell cannot possibly compare Christian extremists to Muslim extremists. And there are some people of ALL faiths that take their beliefs to the extreme. What you said sounds like the brainwashing pap of leftist liberals. There is a difference between liberals and leftist liberals. Just as there is a difference between conservatives and right wing conservatives. All of this labeling is no good for the country. Right now, America’s biggest problem is Americans that handcuff our soldiers and prevent them from fighting a war. There is no such thing as a politically correct war. I cannot imagine what would have happened in WW2 if we didn’t fight with every ounce of strength. No I can imagine....it was called Viet Nam. Politicians worried about being reelected fought the war instead of the generals. I want Gen. Petraeus to kick insurgents butt. Then and only then can we leave with our heads held high and know that we did the right thing. Bleeding hearts be damned.Let our soldiers soldier.

First of all, I’ll support the troops when they stand up to this tyrant and tell him, ‘hell no, we won’t go!’

You may need to delude yourself that you’re ‘fighting for our freedoms’ but I fail to see how killing a million innocent people who are simply resisting an invasion and grabbing of their national resources is protecting anyone’s freedom. 

Secondly, if the Smirking Chimp REALLY wanted to protect the US from another 9-11 style attack, they’d be guarding the ports and our porous borders. 

They’re not because THAT wouldn’t serve their greedy interests.  This war is about OIL, it always has been.  Witness our glorious leaders declaring that ‘Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction with oil profits’.  How’d we feel if, say, Australia invaded us, killed a million people, bombed every city and declared we could pay for our own reconstruction with Ford F-150s, Iowa corn and McDonald hamburgers?

9-11 was an inside job, orchestrated by the highest levels of our government as an excuse for ALL that’s come since.  The Orwellian-named Patriot Act (which was written BEFORE 9-11!), the suspension of Habeas Corpus, on and on.  This is ‘protecting our freedoms’?

Buildings don’t turn into micronized dust in mid air (from gravity and fire???)

When the lied-to about the safety-of breathing-the-air rescuers (another Bush lie) started sifting thru the rubble, they found not ONE desk, not ONE room divider, not ONE phone, not ONE computer.  Everything except the steel beams was turned into dust.  Would gravity do that?  Isolated fire?

If even one part of the fantasy of 9-11 and the ‘official story’ is a lie, then it all falls apart, doesn’t it?

Open your eyes people.  Things are far worse than they appear, the US government has been co-opted by the most evil team ever assembled.  These guys make Hitler and Goebbels look like amateurs.

We have an insane and sadistic Caligula as president, Mussolini as vice-president, and Machiavelli as Caligula’s advisor.

What they have done, starting in 2000 with stealing the presidency, is TREASON.  It’s still a hanging offense.

And only another American Revolution will restore anything resembling what this country can be.

And to those of you who are reading this and foaming at the mouth, read “Crossing the Rubicon”, and anything by David Ray Griffin before you start disagreeing with me. 

I’m tired of the idiots running this country (who brag about never reading a book or a newspaper) and the other idiots who support them.  Hitler had his supporters too.  History has condemned them.

In WW2, all communication in and out of European and Pacific chapters was censored. All communication. As a matter of fact, “Loose Lips Sink Ships” was a war slogan. People can inadvertently, without malice or intent, reveal information that the enemy can use to it’s benefit. Is this vetoing the truth? Or erring on the side of caution and safety? Does Al Qaeda have blogs?

So Why Defend YOUR Freedumbs?
I don,t AND won,t Have to Anymore.
Your FREEDUMBS are NOT worth DEFENDING.

Think long and hard about what you are saying Mary m.

P.S. Mary , I,m AM retired Mil.

Mary M. you sound hateful toward something. what is it?
spell it out girl.

Signalfire
When you start with inside job babble like Rosie O, you damage your position,
What 1,0000,000 people.

Re: the effect of fire, did you happen to see what happen to the highway bridge in San Franciso when a gasoline tank truck caught fire
under it?
Speaking of reading, even Popular Mechanic (hardly a RNC mouthpiece) debunked your explosives theory.
Here Read it your self
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Jay. P.M. takes you to Debunking 911 myths.
where is the Re: the effect of fire, did you happen to see what happen to the highway bridge in San Franciso when a gasoline tank truck caught fire
under it?
part?

Jay , another question. from whgat i understood, the towers stood up for aover a full hour before collapsing strasiight downward.
now , from what i heard, heat in elevator shafts caused them to come down.
question is, why were not the people in side fried in that hour?

also, the explosion occurred on top.
not underneath?

and why is p.m. trying to debunk what it calls a myth?
i thought they were into popular mechanics, not investigative reporting.
whats in it for p.m.?
to debunk myths? money?
selling?

CER,

I have read the Popular Mechanics article, it’s a joke.

The 1 million people are the number (estimated because OUR military doesn’t count Iraqi deaths) of Iraqis dead since we invaded.  Women, children, babies, old people.

Sorry to disturb your world view, but you can’t compare a melted bridge (mostly asphalt, a hydrocarbon, melted by several thousand gallons of burning hydrocarbons) with two 110 story buildings.

For those of you who say, ‘the planes did it’, please explain Building 7.
If you’ve even heard of it.  Your collective ignorance is overwhelming.

There were powerdowns in the Twin Towers in the weeks before 9-11.  Supposedly, it was to ‘run new cabling’ into the building.

The contractors who ‘ran the new cabling’ have never been identified.  Seems like a simple matter for the Port Authority to come up with the contractor and the purchase order for the work.  Where is it?  Who did the work? Why did they need to ‘power down the buildings’ and turn off the security cameras? 

It goes on and on and on.  Welcome to the Fourth Reich.

Also Jay, Heat travels up. not down.

The explosion occurred on top. the heat must have traveled up from there.
unless there were explosion underneath like p.m. points out.

and Jay, my mos was 94b. now 92g.
that should tell you something about me.
not the college educated private eye by a long means.

Kerosene obeys the law of gravity and falls downward, and for signal fire WTC 7 was covered in the PM article and it was not PM doing the research , they were reporting on the book “Debunking 9/11 Myths”, not doing the research.
Re: the bridge, much of the support for bridges is from the rebar (steel bars reinforcing the concrete),and it looks like the steel got weak enough to collapse. It does not have to melt just weaken.

Too much credit is given to the CIA and the government. If all those people had really been involved, some body would have sold their story to the National Inquirer.

I want to thank you for the great job you did on your ad.

Thank you for this blog as well. It does give people a chance to voice their opinions.

I believe the conservatives have learned how to use and manipulate the mainstream media. You are countering this by beginning to produce ads that represent my opinion - of which I’ve seen too few.

Jay, when the planes hit. didn,t they explode? wouldn,t the kerosene(jp8) evaporate?
and even if the kerosene did not evaporate, how did the kerosene find its way to just the elevator shafts and not through the collision areas.
come on Jay. be sensible.

and Jay, kerosene was on fire?
did it take the kerosene a full hour to get to the bottom of those huge towers?
also, Jay, Was the kerosene hot?
read above about why the people didn,t fry.cook to death

Jay, there was no heat. just explosions.
heat was up on top.

sfc
MOS told me enuf,

and
signalfire
it obvious you did not read the article or toatlly disregarded it. It addressed WTC 7.

When a car burns after a wreck, is it just the gasoline? Nope, it’s upholstery, tires, etc. Thos buildings were not just concrete. The buildings had paneling ( Probably cherry or walnut), furniture, lots of carpet, paper. All of those things burn too.

I do not think the kerosene evaporates rapidly. I used it in VietNam to heat C-rations. It burned very hot but would not evaporate unless you turned the container over.

Well then Jay. You are a Fool.
your kind are not worth defending.

its no wonder officers got killed alot by so called friendly fire over in nam.

Shiny boots. pffff

It burned very hot but would not evaporate unless you turned the container over.
no bells going off yet Jay?

Jay, there was no heat. just explosions.
heat was up on top.

(sfc ret u.s.army1976-1997)!Christopher Edison Rud | Wednesday, May 02 at 01:24 PM

unless you turned it over, but then…

Evaporate as in open air not elevator shafts, don’t like being called a fool by “food service”.

What is the shiny boots pfft,
supposed to mean, For the record I either wore jungle boots or Cochrans, depending on what I was doing.

I defended your rights before you joined, probably while you were in mid school.

I was trying to have a fun discussion but everyone seems to get their BVD’s in a wad when they are challenged.

Afternoon all.
It’s been “Verry interesting” as Arte Johnson used to say.

rights?
no Jay, you were defending Your Rights. not mine.

Fun Discussion?
we are at war.
whats fun?

Dear Garcia:
In a constitutional democracy like ours, the ultimate deciders are the people. The President and Congress work for the people, not the other way around. The American people, through their elected representatives, have decided that they do not support the mission in Iraq and want it to end as soon as possible. You men and women in uniform have our support. The Iraq mission does not. I have a son in the military, and of course I support him. He does not support the Iraq mission either. Note that the American people do support, as I do, the mission in Afghanistan, which is fully justified. The war in Iraq was based on lies and the will of a handful of neocons. Iraq was never a threat to the U.S.
The rest of us want nothing to do with it, and we don’t want our men and women in uniform to die for this mission. The President’s duty, and yours, is one only: to follow the will of the American people, and abort this unjustified mission. Period.

Jay,
You are starting to sound like this fella:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/thompson-iraq-moveon/

I dislike war as much as the next American but, what you people are suggesting makes me sick. Lets say we do pull out and all the soilders come home, thank god. THEN WHAT? Are we to just leave that region of the world to further tear itself apart. The economic fallout will become more than most Americans can bare. I suggest that you arrogant flappy jawed ignoramuses come up with a feasible solution before you criticize what is going on.

(sfc ret u.s.army1976-1997)!Christopher Edison Rud

Actually, you kind of sound like you have a bone to pick with everyone too. Congratulations on being retired military. My husband survived (and not all in one piece) the first SNAFU run by politicians called the Korean “Conflict”. Maybe that is where my anger comes from. People should let the military do their job. Now, what’s your complaint? That 9/11 was an inside job? What a joke. No one in our govt. can keep a secret for more than 10 seconds. It would be on the front of every paper quoting “an anonymous” source aka. spineless squealer. Not an inside job. No one can explain how it happened because it has never happened before. When is the last time jumbo jets, loaded with fuel have actually, physically crashed into a building? Highway just collapsed in CA. from fire. How often does that happen. And as for you “having fun” I haven’t seen one of your posts indicating that. Cop out.

I’m tired of hearing this word “"success"”. What is success???? We went there ONLY to disarm WMD. Then there were NONE. So COME HOME NOW. PERIOD.

Okay,

Just to change the tone for a moment.

What are they hoping to accomplish in Iraq? Also, what would be reasonable amount of time to accomplish that goal, given we’ve been there for 4 years....

Any thoughts?

Anyone who thinks Bush is doing a good job is silly crazy.

I was for military intervention in Afghanistan.  I still am.

I was dead set against it in Iraq. I still am.

People want to blame Clinton for the problem in Iraq.  Why not Bush, Sr and Dick Cheney.  They blew up Iraq and walked away.  Is that why the neo-conservatives are so gung-ho about finishing today?  Guilty conscience?

Replace Bush.  He’s truly an incompetent fool.  So stubborn he thinks that a compromise is when someone gives up part of what they want and he stays firm.  That must be a Christian thing.

So stubborn people are dying.
So stubborn he’s letting people loot the treasury
So stubborn little kids are losing parents
So stubborn he’s ruining America

Iraq isn’t lost.  It’s just not to be won.  The people there won’t let it be.

mary m in greenwood, SC | Wednesday, May 02 at 03:47 PM
I didn,t say I was having FUN.
that was Jay.
What is cop out?
are you a cop?

mary m in greenwood, SC | Wednesday, May 02 at 03:47 PM
You do however realize that China won the Korean War(conflict), dont you?

Mary in Greenwood,

You give yourself away when you call someone who would report what they knew about government complicity as a ‘spineless squealer’.  How much courage would it take for someone who knew a part of what may have really happened that day, to come forward?  And be called a traitor, a coward, a tin foil hat nut job?  And have his family ‘disappear’?

How does one convince someone who’s mind is closed?  You can’t.  You can only point out that Bush and Co. fought ANY investigation as to what happened that day for 15 MONTHS!! Then, when they had to bow to public opinion and pressure from the victim’s families, they tried to appoint Kissinger as head of the committee.  Kissinger, who has been called a war criminal in several countries…

When that was strenuously objected to, they picked another Bush compatriot, Zelikow (who wrote a book with Condoleezza Rice...)

Wouldn’t you think since ‘nothing like that has ever happened before’ they would WANT to know exactly what happened, so as to not build skyscrapers like THAT anymore?  To learn exactly how people with boxcutters could possibly commandeer four jetliners on the same day?  To know how it was possible to confound the most expensive and technologically advanced military the world has ever seen?  To figure out, how, in all that is holy, the PENTAGON, the most protected building on the planet, was itself BOMBED???
Intriguing puzzle, is it not?  Gee, you woulda thought there was anti-aircraft missles on top of the Pentagon.  You would think that if we have spy satellites that can read license plates, we could track planes that have their transponders turned off (the flight that hit the Pentagon ‘disappeared’ off radar.  Please tell me how that happens...)

There are so many mysteries, so many questions unanswered.  I’m sorry, but, ‘go away, you’re a nut case’ doesn’t begin to answer the questions raised from that day.  Thousands of Americans have died, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.  The US is in far more danger now than it was 6 years ago.  Not to mention, bankrupt. You see, we’re borrowing the money to run our military from China and Japan. And they’re wising up and are not going to be buying our bonds for much longer. And then this whole house of cards is going to fall down. And you’ll wonder what happened to ‘your great country....’

To BC in San Francisco:
The ‘goal’ in Iraq was to establish permanent bases in the Middle East, to sit on the oil (second largest stockpile in the world, outside of Saudi Arabia), wait for peak oil to hit and fully come into play, and then make out like bandits on oil at 200, 300, 400 dollars a barrel.  And rising. There is no intention of ever leaving Iraq, (they’d grab Iran too, but god forbid, they want atomic weapons!!!!) and Saddam Hussein was just another in a long line of excuses to invade.  We supported him until we wanted to use him as a patsy.
Who do you think sold him the chemicals he used to gas the Kurds? We did…

I wish everyone would stop parroting mindless patriotic platitudes, and instead LEARN exactly what kind of government you’re extolling as ‘the best ever’.

Oh, I don’t want them impeached…

I WANT THEM HUNG AS THE TRAITORS THEY ARE.  AND LEAVE THE BODIES UP THERE ROTTING AS AN EXAMPLE TO ALL THOSE WHO WOULD SPIT ON THE CONSTITUTION AND LIE TO THEIR COUNTRYMEN AND COMMIT MASS MURDER AND CALL IT ‘FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOMS’.

There are only a few people in Congress who are not complicit, who did not vote for this unholy war.  The rest are criminals, as surely as the Nazis were.  THAT’s why impeachment is ‘off the table’.  They KNOW that if things start getting investigated, we’ll all find out just how much money has changed hands, who was bought off, and who got filthy rich on this war.

To Christopher Edison Rud:  You sir, come across as a charletan and a fraud.  If you actually did serve in the military for as long as you claim, how did you get through it without being found out for the disgrace to the uniform that you are?  Someone, somehow, would have discovered your hatred for your own country and your hatred of the Armed Forces, and drummed you out of there.  There’s simply no way you could have lasted 20 years in the company of true patriotic Americans.

What were you in it for?  Scholarship money?  Or merely a retirement income?  You certainly weren’t in it for mere service to your country.  It must have been truly difficult for you to hide your hatred for yourself and your country for all that time, while you were outwardly smiling and saluting the flag of the United States.  I think they have a name for that kind of behavior...it’s called psychopathic.

To Cary Nickel | Wednesday, May 02 at 11:11 PM
Women tend to think of me as that.Woman.

RE: oh Cary Nickel .
Who said I was Smiling?
you don,t have to smile to salute.
yes, i did it for the money. please do tell. who didn,t?

You sir, come across as a charletan and a fraud. 
Cary Nickel | Wednesday, May 02 at 11:11 PM
And You maam, come across as a drunken hatefull B^tch.

Cary Nickel |
Now you know WHY I would NEVER EVER Fight for YOUR FREEDOMS!
Because YOU DONT DESERVE ANY!
POINT MADE!

I’m back, but just to discuss Signalfire’s apparent lack of knowledge concerning Air Traffic Control.

There are places in the US where there is no radar coverage by ATC below certain altitudes. The aircraft are separated by distance and altitude. In other places If the transponder is off, the return is very difficult to see and can merge with ground clutter and weather. (PS: Spy satellites usually look at slow moving objects)

CER

Why the future tense in stead of past tense?

“Cary Nickel |
Now you know WHY I would NEVER EVER Fight for YOUR FREEDOMS!
Because YOU DONT DESERVE ANY!
POINT MADE!

(sfc ret u.s.army1976-1997)!Christopher Edison Rud “

Just curious.

Jay
unfortunately for HER, i allready did the past tense.
comeon Jay, couldn,t you figure that out allready?

I figured it out when you posted it. You phrased in the the future “would never” not “did not” Just being picky about grammar. Like some one else was about the way I expressed my self.

too sha

But Jay. thats what I mean,t .
would never do it again.

Jay,
oh I get. You,re just trying to be funny(having fun) Again?ha ha

Actually, Rud, I don’t believe you ever did, or ever would have, fought for anyone’s freedom, including your own.  I picture you as one of the “cut and run” crowd, and I believe your “cut and run” behaviour would have manifested itself first on the battlefield.

And if you actually spent 20 years in the military simply for the money, as you claim, then you have even further indicated your stupidity.  You could have made a lot more money in the private sector, and not had to be a phony.

Personally, anyone can be anything they want to be on these blogs.  I have the distinct feeling the way you title yourself is a complete untruth.  Perhaps your father (though I would hate to think you would disgrace your father’s name in such a way)?  Or did you just pick that title and name out of thin air?

I have never met an actual military person with the poor opinion you display toward fellow military people.  And a career military person displaying such contempt is nearly unheard of.  You must really feel you gotten short changed.  I’m sorry you made such terrible choices in your life.  Hopefully, you still have time to turn it around.  I would hate to think you would spend your remaining days feeling such bitterness.

This topic has been beaten to death.  Now it’s time to for congress to quit it’s grandstanding, and to move onto a sensible military spending bill that actually supports the troops overseas and allows for the fighting of this war the way the Commander in Chief and the Generals on ground want it fought.  Period.  End of story.

And you Cary, Are a Stupid Bitch from Hell. Care to see my DD214?
or, do you even know what that is?
Whore from hell, thats you.

Now thats END OF STORY.
Slut.
Go defend Your own FreeDumbs.
Maybe you will be Killed in the Process.
with any luck for society

Go back to your bed and make yourself some more of that prostitution money that you don,t pay taxes on Cary

CER

No fun, very serious, wrong word used when I said “fun”
Challenging yes, thought provoking yes. 
One more question, are you ticked you never made MSGT?

I,m ticked, yes. did you read my posts above?
but not because i didn,t make E-8.
They sent my Daughter to WAR.
Thank God she made it. and now is out.

That will never happen again.
Question for Cary. ever consider signing up?

Jay, Cary attacked me first.
has nothing to do with you.

CED
I understand the personal aspect.
I have 2 sons, 1 Air Force,
1 Army (in Iraq) and yes I will be happy when he gets home.

Then we can agree to disagree and perhaps anyfourther discussion can be that versus attacks.

hopefully.
i,m off for a while.
bye

what is our purpose in life? to fight against others for what?... oil,money,their freedom not ours. after “accomplishing” the first mission, i believe we should of never stayed in irak. how did the war start in the first place, with what purpose? is it the same purpose we’re carrying on as we speak? defend our country, YES!... but defend it when we should, not by fighting other countries’ civil war.

A War without end is not a war.
To the military who want the money I say we want to give it to you to protect you. you only see the republican side of the coin. Please read the bill that congress wrote and then you will see it is the president you should yell at to get your money.
Congress gave you plenty of money but the president vetoed it because it includes an agenda for America. 1 that gives Aid to Hurricane Katrina victims and to children whose health care is about to expire. The only thing he didn’t like was what I just mentioned plus the fact we want to set a timetable for Iraq to meet.
I highly respect all of you in service for us but you are wasting our money. Gas prices are $3.30 a gallon because of the continued instability over in Iraq. Let the Oil companies say what they will but that is the cold hard truth. War raises instability in the commodities markets. We americans are struggling to survive while you fight an endless struggle overseas.

Please understand you have my full support but I want you to know the truth. I’ve read the bill. I’ve seen the bill which anyone can see by visiting congressional websites.

WE WANT YOU FUNDED MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT! WE JUST WANT IT DONE THE RIGHT WAY!

I saw the ad and came here but still dont understand what we can do at this point untill the next election. Please let me know I would like to see something done.  The Bush administration does not seem to put American or Iraqi lives before economic gain.  Losing both in convoys guarding overpriced food is a travesty. I enlisted to make a difference in Afghanistan, N. Korea, Africa. Wherever the weak want us and need us to make a difference.  If I am deployed to Iraq I will go willingly to help protect my fellow Americans there but will vocally be opposed to the Bush greed and policy.
Take this warning. We will be in Iraq for years unless we vote against tyranny instead of sitting silent.  There have already been plans for deployments to OIF in 2009.

Why doesn’t anyone mention the fact that this was is illegal?  King George will do as he pleases and there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it but complain.  Thank God he will be voted out.  That is our only consolation, if we try to impeach him, the cost would be extrodinary, not to mention that nothing would get done from here on out, and if we got him out then who Cheney??? God forbid.  Sadly there is nothing we can do, there isn’t even anything the new house and senate can do, As long as King George is in office he will do exactly what he wants no matter what anyone tells him.  He hasn’t listened to one word from anyone about anything, and that doesn’t mean just this horrible war, how about the global warming issue that he thinks is a farce?  HELP!!!  We all know he’s an idiot but then how did he get in to begin with?  Thank you Repulican party.

I felt like the wind had been knocked out of me when the sheeple voted that idiot into office for a SECOND term!

If the US (mis)Government had not gone on the offensive and tried to impart their beliefs on everyone else, we wouldn’ be in this mess, nor would we be considered such arrogant assholes by the rest of the free world.

To the one who mentioned this war being illegal you are right and the time will come when both not just bush when both bush and cheney will be brought before a war crimes tribunal but before that can happen the war must end and most likely in 2009 when the next president takes office. For those who don’t know when the next president takes office it is at High noon on January 20, 2009 by decree of the United States Constitution it will always be high noon on January 20th the year any president takes office. The constitution also decrees no president can be in office no longer than 8 years total. President Bush has used 6 as of January 20, 2007.
January 20, 2008 will be 7 and he reaches the end of his eighth year at high noon on January 20, 2009.
As for the other person who asked what they could do. You said you saw the video. The Video has a number you can call with your comments. Also call your local senators or reps and tell them how you feel. they will do battle for you and are already doing battle on the democratic side and there are also 2 republicans doing battle with the democrats against the rest of the republicans. The more the number of republicans on our side goes up the stronger change we have of overriding future vetoes from him.
Don’t give up. I read somewhere that it took 73 votes in congress to end the vietnam war. We’ve only had 1.
The battle is far from over in congress probably and will probably take patience.

Sorry Robert. but it is to late.
once freedom has been given.....
think about this one now.........
IT CAN NOT BE TAKEN AWAY............
America IS this place.....
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/revelation_16.html BUT, here is what we CAN do.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/revelation_18.html

there is your truth.
sorry

I said I was done here, but I decided to come back and reread all of the posts on this topic and I did. What I observed has nothing to do with veterans, or liberals or conservatives or neocons or pacifists or any other labels that we so freely paste on people. What I see are a lot of posts by people, self included, that seemed to enjoy and thrive on negativism. I don’t think I saw one post that came up with any solutions - and impeachment does not count. And this, my fellow Americans, seems to be the problem with ALL of our candidates. It is easy to point fingers, place blame and Monday morning quarterback when no one is holding you to any form of responsibility. I am also tired of the Speaker of the House telling me that all Americans voted to end the war. Not necessarily. No one in their right mind WANTS to continue a war. However, I think this past election was about much more than that. It was about irresponsible, pedophiliac, pork barrel, self-centered congresspersons who had a free pass for far too long. So, it is time for all of us to step up to the plate and have real dialogue now. To drop the hatreds, I told you so’s, etc. etc. ad nauseum.  It is time to come up with a solution beyond pulling out of Iraq. Because as we know, this war was not planned well. Our soldiers fought well, almost too good and preparations were not considered for After the Fall. So, rather than using all of our energies on hatred, we should be working together, using our collective intellect and bail our useless politicians of both parties out of this mess. It will take time. But it must be done properly. Stop hating, start working.

One more thing. People who didn’t vote for Bush would serve everyone better by not continually patting yourselves on the back. That is all that Bush Bashing is. Aren’t I smart? You big dummies voted for him. It is very transparent . Get over it, it is getting old. Even Al Gore found a new project and guess what?  I think he is doing more good now, than he could have done from the contraints and restrictions of the Oval Office.

Sorry Mary. You are very judgemental and speak before you know the truth because if you had asked at least me don’t know about the others and I’ll be happy to show you my voter status.
I’m a registered democrat and not proud of that either.
I voted for Al Gore in both 2000 and 2004. Don’t tell me I voted for Bush cause I didn’t and I can prove it!
Now someone mentioned negativity being a problem here and though what have just said was negative what follows will not be negative cause I try not to be a negative person.
Here’s a perspective I see that is a good idea. Sam Waterston of TV’s long running show Law And Order has a website but since I don’t know if I advetising is allowed here I can’t give you the address but I’ll tell you that his Idea is called Unity08 and it is meant to put a democrat in as President and a republican in as Vice President that way there is a chance to work together to resolve conflicts. This is an idea I support but it truly must be unified. A ticket needs to be created that we all can agree on but until then
It’s time to put our country back in Order and the democrats and 2 republicans have joined forces to do so. I will leave things at that. There is no negativity in that just facts.
Here’s hoping that we all do learn to get along but the time has come to leave Iraq.
For those who believe the war in Iraq is still hopeful I guess you don’t pay attention to the facts because I just heard that parliament in Iraq that we are giving time to get organized is gonna take a long Summer Break! A Break! BREAK!
What kind of parliament is this?
This is what we keep our troops in Iraq for is so Al Maliki and his government can take a nice long vacation to somewhere far away?
Sorry But this is Same old stuff just a different day Bush Fanatics.
WAKE UP!

Post Correction:

In my previous post I stated that I voted for Al Gore In 2000 and 2004.

Here’s the correction:
I voted for Al Gore only in 2000.
Gore did not run in 2004 so I voted for the democrat who did and I will admit he flip flopped but I didn’t support Bush won’t support Bush Can’t Support Bush Ain’t gonna Support Bush. I voted for John Kerry in 2004.

Mary,

I just caught your post on Ms. Pelosi.
You have the right to bash her if you want but if you choose to do so I will defend her.
First off you mention not everyone in America voted to end the war that is true.
But you know who did?
Oh...Hmmm...Let me see now…
I know…
Democrats…
The ones who had no say for way too long and now that they do you republicans can’t stand it.
well guess what we the people awake and in our right mind who haven’t been brainwashed or if you haven’t been brainwashed then I guess the term would be uneducated have spoken and said Get Out Of Iraq.
By the way Ms. Pelosi never agreed to drop the timetables.
There will be very little room for compromise with the great divide between our speaker and your president. There is a great divide.
We all have freedom of speech.
I promise you I won’t put you down again If you promise to stop putting the dems down.
You are very opinionated and I will admit so am I.
The time for insults is over.
The time for an unending war is over.
The time for wasting American’s money is over.
The time for domestic spending being spent on Iraq is over.
America is going into the depths of despair and Bush remains so focused on the war that he just doesn’t care about anything except that war.
These are the facts.
Infecting truth is important.
This is the truth.

America has sacrificed too much
Been Patient too long.
I am only trying to show the facts and hope that maybe just maybe sometime soon we the democrats and you the republicans can bridge that great divide but right now we hugely disagree.

Let the opinions go on.
Let the discussion go on.
But enough with the put downs.
I’ve put my last bit of argument, put downs whatever you want to call it into this e-mail and hope this will be the last time I have to do so.

Hopefully we can now have a peaceful discussion without further put downs although I understand if you want to bash me for basing you in this e-mail but I don’t consider it bashing I consider it defending Ms. Pelosi because you put her down.

Bridging The Gap Part 1

Understanding Each Other’s Point of View.
I have an idea. I think to start to bridge that gap. Maybe we should discuss the differences and then individually explain the points.

I’ll start.

Point #1 Bush Goes To the U.N. approx. (2003)

Here is the first argument I have against this war in the first place
Circa 2003 President Bush went before the United Nations to get backing for the war in Iraq.
When they wouldn’t give it to him he decided to go it alone.

Example #1 of I’m The Decider!

Please share your thoughts with me on this particular portion of what has happened since 9-11.

Personally I feel it was unwise to enter this war without the backing of the U.N.

Cary Nickel! Get off this blog, please. Your posts full of GOP snobbery and your ability to intolerably patronize is astonishing. Go write a boring novel, please, and spare us all. Thank you very much. (Again, is there something in the water in New Mexico - asbestos or something? “Run, Cary, I think you have been poisoned. Save yourself!")

Personally I feel it was unwise to enter this war ,Period. Reread my posts about going after the 911 terrorists. not go after entire nations. they had OBL. they let him go. no, it never was to go after terrorists. it was a plan to irradicate and change policies in the middleeast. to GIVE them so called Free Dominion.
they(middleeast)Had King Dominion allready set. do you know why king Hussain invade Kuwait? Because Kuwait was tapping into Iraq Oil. without Saddams permission. I admit, you dont start war over Oil. that was wrong, hence, 1st Gulf War. Senior Bush was Wise to stop and draw a parallel line(38 degree line). that line was working. I could go on and on. but, it doesn,t matter much anymore. our freedoms will soon end and God will be back.

Like I said, Bush Himself is a Terrorist.

I admit, you don,t start war over Oil.
Then Again, You don,t STEAL from your neighbors either.

How many Americans have to be killed before you stop this madness.  Bring our troops home now.

RE: Mr. Rud...."THOU SHALT NOT COVET”...(thy neighbor’s oil).

RE: J Wood in NC...It sure would be nice to let the Generals do their job in a purely military fashion.  Too bad the Generals and their itinerary’s have been bought, paid for, and programmed in a purely political fashion by the Monkey boy and his administration.  Somebody shove him a banana.

Want the truth about your illustrious leaders?  Check out a book called: “Static” by Amy Goodman.

just sayin.

And here is what it says about the RICH, FREE,ABUNDANTLY,
24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/luke_6.html the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes,
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/luke_16.html

As Promised in my previous post I am moving on to a different subject now and would like to know what people think about the subject I am listing today.

The 2008 Election

I was watching the news today and heard that Florida wants 1st rights in the race for the White House and this should come as no surprise.
But here’s what is so disturbing about it.
If Florida gets what it wants all the caucus and Primaries will be forced to move up and according to what I heard this would make the very first primary take place 10 days before Christmas 2007 on December 15, 2007.
This Year! We are starting This Year!
So Here’s the question.
Should Florida be allowed to move up and take 1st rights in this election?
I mean are they not the ones that cheated in 2000 and 2004?

Let the Last be First and the First be Last this time.

Hey Rud:  The last gasp of the liberal mind is name calling.  It is used when there is no rational argument left.  You have illustrated the point perfectly, thank you!

To “Puking..” It is also a common lib tactic to attempt to stifle opposing viewpoints.  If you’re so bored, please feel free to move on to greener pastures yourself.  I’m having fun here.  Also, feel free to skip over my stuff...you aren’t forced to read it.  This is s free country.

If one really wants to make the conversation interesting, how about this:

Every thinking person knows the Iraq war is not about oil. 

However, why NOT start wars over oil?  Oil is the life-blood of the North American continent.  Oil is a national security issue. 

It is beyond comprehension why the Democrats attempt to stop every attempt to further domestic oil production, forcing us to depend on foreign sources.  Then also castigate us if we have to fight to secure that source as well. 

Al Gore’s limosines and private jets cease to move without oil, just the same as Joe Six-Packs 1995 Ford F-150.

Without oil, the nation stops.  Simple as that.  If anyone posting here has scrapped their automobiles, disconnected their homes from the electric and gas lines, and has refused to buy anything made of plastic, I applaud that person...he or she is walking the walk.

The rest of us are still oil-dependent, and God help this nation if we woke up tommarrow and the TV didn’t work, the refrigerators were warm, and there was no gasoline or diesel to be had down at the filling station.

I’m not saying being this oil dependent is a good thing..but it is how it is.

Cary,

This is a page for solutions not arguments. The last statement I made was supposed to move us on from arguing.
Please discontinue the negativity that has turned this page into one argument after another.
I know and admit that I have argued here but the last thing I did was end the fisticuffs not to have them brought back.

I’m not saying get lost like the others are I’m simply saying please stop the bashing and be helpful with Ideas.

And hopefully more of you will be willing to give me your thoughts on earlier primaries.

The subject I introduced yesterday.

Thank you Mr. Rud for your thoughts on the subject. I appreciate someone trying to help me create a peaceful forum here and you are doing that.
Kudos to you.

Oil Dependence:

We are in Iraq for oil. That is why the oil companies are making their profits. If we would get out of Iraq oil profits would die down and the market would stabilize as far as OPEC.
However the war alone is only a small part of the equation.
The oil companies are manipulating the market creating outrageous gas prices.
Congress is doing what they can to pass new laws that the FTC says they will enforce to bring price manipulators to justice.

This page is not about solutions.  It’s about bashing our President, denigrating our military, and questioning our very form of government.  There can be no solutions presented here, because the problems addressed are non-issues based on lies and the tossing around of wild, unsubstantiated charges against our leaders, citizens, and our military men and women overseas.

The fact that you are praising Mr. Rud for his attempts to create a “peaceful” forum here identifies you as squarely in the camp of the haters.  Have you even read anything he has written?  Rud, a peacemaker?  Laughable.

Would you prefer I resort to the profanity and name-calling, as he has?  My comments stand.

Robert:1st: “We are in Iraq for oil. That is why the oil companies are making their profits. “ is incorrect. We are not there for oil. If we wanted to fight with our major supplier about oil, we need only to simply line up at the Canadian border. The oil companies are making their profits because we buy their product. From Venezuela and Canada first, before Iraq. This is a capitalist country. Supply and demand. A high school economics class teaches that if there is demand for a product, the price will go up. The American public cannot say no to itself. There is no such thing as self sacrifice anymore